DMT Experience

It’s like if we had some two dimensional creatures that were living on this piece of paper right here on the table, and one of those creatures figured out that he can smoke some DMT and that somehow enabled us to peel this two dimensional creature to where it could see in three dimensions and see everything in this room. That’s DMT. You’re getting peeled out of reality into some other realm. And the weird thing is, every scientist that I know that’s studying DMT, not one of them thinks it’s a hallucination.

I think the more familiar someone is with DMT, the less certain they are about what the hell’s going on. But everyone, literally everyone who uses DMT pretty much goes to the same exact places and they all meet the same entities, the same seven or eight different types of entities. And it’s been the same for 4,500 years of recorded history with DMT. And DMT is something we make in our own body. It’s an endogenous chemical.

It’s so much more real than this reality. It’s so ineffable, there are no words that can describe it. But it’s a thousand, maybe a million times more real than this, in such a way that just coming back to this feels like everything is kind of claymation for a little while. Claymation, or just fake, like a cartoon of some kind. It’s just really low resolution.

And I come back with no certainty about anything. And I think everybody comes back with that lack of certainty. You’re not coming back and be like, “I saw this exact thing and here’s what it means and here’s how the universe is created.” But you go up there and you come back and you’re like, “Something about this plane doesn’t feel real anymore.” And that is a permanent shift that’s hard for some people to make. And you can’t unsee that. You were kind of able to poke your head out of the side door of the Truman Show and look out backstage for a little while.

Because I think every society has this hubris of, “The universe is whatever’s cool to us right now.” Electricity came out, the universe was energy. Industrial revolution came out, the whole universe was a giant machine. And right now everybody says, “Oh, we just discovered computers. The universe must be a computer.” It’s like the hubris of every generation.

What I mean by simulation — is it rendered in some way by something? I study this stuff all day, every day of my life. And I think that the more discoveries we have in particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more they’re proving the hermetic principles.

These are the seven ancient principles of this guy named Hermes Trismegistus, also known as Thoth, like an Egyptian guy. They’re confused about his name, but he wrote these. The first two principles are the most important. The first one is: “All is mind.”

“The all is mind, the universe is mental.”

And then the second one is: “As above, so below.”

And here’s how I explained this to my son a couple days ago. I said, “Have you ever had a dream where there’s a building in the dream? Maybe there’s a house in front of you. What are you looking at the house with?” And he’s like, “Well, my eyes.” I said, “Which eyes are they? Are they your eyes that you’re seeing the house with?” And he said, “No, because you’re imagining your own set of eyes to see the house with in your dream. Your eyes aren’t there. Your body isn’t there, so you’re imagining the whole body and the world.”

And I said, “What’s the distance between you and that house in your dream?” He said, “30 feet.” I said, “What is the air made out of between you and the house?” And he said, “Air.” And I said, “You have air in your dreams. Is it real air?” He said, “No, it’s just my brain.” I said, “So is there distance between you and the house?” He said, “No.” “What’s the house made out of?” “Me.” “What’s the air made out of?” “Me.” The entire thing is me — the ground I’m standing on, the house, the clouds in the sky.

So in a dream, you can verifiably prove that something is real. You can test it, you can touch it, and all of that. And the perception of it is very much real. So the theory now — and I don’t have any certainty about this — but one interesting theory that I’ve heard from many different neuroscientists is, if we look at “as above, so below,” a universe spins like a DNA double helix. You can zoom in on a human eyeball and it looks the same as a nebula.

What if dreams are level one, and this is level two of that, where we’re hallucinating distance? I have no theories about it myself. But whatever the case is, I do think that separation is the greatest lie ever told to the entire world — the idea that you are separate from that person, that you are separate from this. And how people say, “I need to go spend time in nature” — like, you are nature. You’re made out of that stuff. You’re made out of that dirt.

So I think the illusion of separation is the one thing that I think will help a lot of people. And that’s why psychedelics can really just rewire somebody’s brain so fast. It just deletes that separation.

At the end of the day, everybody wants to — after your first or second time going to psychedelic therapy, you’re like, “Oh, I need to understand the secrets of the universe now.” You go in there with these very egoic, egocentric desires, and then they’re like, “Okay, you want to understand the universe? They’ll show it all to you.” And your brain’s not capable of understanding it, remembering it, or translating it once you come back anyway.

And I think over time you learn that the more ego I have, it’s like I’m performing. And then every time I kind of reflect on that experience, it helps me to unzip my little ego costume a little bit more.

Did you know that you can get banned from DMT?

There are thousands of people out there who are using DMT recreationally. And the beings up there basically told them, “You are done.” And the journey stops right there in that moment, and the guy can take hit after hit after hit of DMT and nothing happens. You can be banned from that realm, or whatever it is. I think they call it hyperspace now.

But the new theory is that consciousness is external to our body.

Like, our brains act as a receiver and a filter for consciousness, and not a creator of consciousness. So that hypothetically, maybe DMT is something that just pops that filter off and allows us to experience full consciousness. And then if the all is mind — so if everything in my dream is made up of me and we just copy paste that up to this level — we’re all maybe part of one mind, and there aren’t any people, it’s just a mind. So the distance between us doesn’t exist. It’s just like a dream, except we’re sharing a dream up here. And that’s one of the — I think that’s a part of that new consciousness theory. I don’t subscribe to any one of them in particular.

Chase Hughes is founder and CEO of Applied Behavior Research. He is a leading behavior expert, and author of the three-year #1 bestselling book on persuasion, influence and behavior profiling, 'The Ellipsis Manual'.

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